Archive for Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Church’s sign to remain pending appeal

The city of Tonganoxie notified West Haven Baptist Church in August that the sign placed there earlier that month was in violation of city code.

The city of Tonganoxie notified West Haven Baptist Church in August that the sign placed there earlier that month was in violation of city code.

September 13, 2011

With a roomful of West Haven Baptist Church parishioners before them, the Tonganoxie City Council agreed Monday the church could keep its new electronic sign in place while it makes an appeal to the Tonganoxie Board of Zoning Appeals.

Church spokesmen and parishioners attended the council meeting in response to an Aug. 18 letter informing the church the sign it installed was in violation of a stipulation the Tonganoxie Planning Commission added to its Jan. 6 approval of the church’s application for the sign.

The council left it to the church at 1000 West Street to decide exactly what it wants to appeal to the board, which will meet next at 7 p.m. Oct. 6, but agreed to waive the city requirement that planning commission decisions be appealed within 30 days. It also agreed the sign the church installed last month could stay in place until 30 days after the appeal process was completed if a ruling did not go in the church’s favor.

Mayor Justin Ward said in his view West Haven had several appeal avenues with the Board of Zoning Appeals (which has the same membership as the city’s planning commission). Ward suggested the church could:

• Appeal the citation it received last month, which states it was not in compliance with a stipulation the planning commission imposed when approving the church’s application for the sign. The stipulation forbids any flashing, blinking, reflecting, revolving or rotating elements to the sign.

• Ask that planning commissioners reconsider the section of the sign ordinance forbidding animated signs with those elements.

• Do both.

Although they later said they understood the council’s rationale for returning the issue to the planning commission, church spokesmen did say it seemed, in Rev. Mike Bronson’s words, as if the church was “caught in an endless loop.”

West Haven Baptist Church Associate Pastor Mark Scribner said he and others from the church attended the planning commission meeting Thursday only to be told that body had no authority to act and that they should take the matter to the city council.

Ward again explained that the council had to approve waiving the 30-day appeal deadline before the planning commission could review the issue. The mayor said it was important the city follow protocol so that the council not ignore planning commission decisions or set a precedent for the future.

On another matter, Scribner said the church had purchased bricks to cover the base of the sign and would soon do so soon. The work hadn’t yet been done because of the recent heat wave, he said. That would address the planning commission’s approval of a monument sign rather than a pole sign, he said.

Council members acknowledged the church has altered its use of the sign since receiving a letter from Mike Lee, the city’s code enforcement officer. It no longer scrolls, rolls or flashes, they said.

With the masonry work, it would appear as though the church has addressed non-compliance issues, Ward said.

Bronson said the change in the sign’s display and the intent to complete the masonry indicated the church’s desire to resolve the issue.

“We want to comply,” he said. “You have no idea how badly we want to get beyond this.”

Comments

ksucat90 3 years, 3 months ago

I understand the church wanting a sign, but this one looks hideous. I doubt bricks will help it. I'm not sure what you can post on that small of a marquee when people drive by @ 30 mph. I think they would have been money ahead to put a plastic reader board instead. When it was rolling, I kept expecting it to say "Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!" Just like a monster truck rally!

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peekaboo1035 3 years, 3 months ago

I think the sign looks great!!!! and i think brick placed to the bottom of the signs frame covering the poles would be a even better look. I am not a resident of tonganoxie nor a member of the church but my company is out of basehor and have done alot of work in tonganoxie and have family that lives there. In my opinion the church has gone out of the way to resolve the issue and it seems to be a waste of time and money on the citys part.Its a sign for a church not a strip club!!!! you people act like its flashing " girls girls girls....." in closing i feel the citys time and money could be spent on more important issues and my family supports you west haven.......

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ksucat90 3 years, 3 months ago

Peekaboo1035, don't get me wrong. Great Church, crappy sign. It's pretty simple. If you knew anything about signage, safety and good taste you would understand, that 1. The sign is too small for the rate of speed (45 MPH) cars travel past. The letters should have been 19 inches high. Hmmm. http://www.thesignchef.com/sizing_guide.php#begin_calculator 2. The sign is a distraction to drivers on a road with no side walks. Please read this study. http://www.lmc.org/media/document/1/signstudy.pdf 3. If you had any taste at all you would live and go to church in Tongie. http://www.tonganoxie.org/ Clearly you are uneducated, perhaps Basehor is a better place for you. Have a nice day!

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kmr2000 3 years, 3 months ago

ksucat90- Distasteful. Just what Tongie does NOT need.

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ksucat90 3 years, 3 months ago

kmr2000, what do you mean distasteful? The Church's sign or the fact that Peekaboo1035 feels the need to comment on how our city is run? I'm sure your not referring that I provided a realistic representation of the facts as it concerns the signage in front of the church, nor my response where I defended the church for wanting a sign. Maybe you are one of those people that likes to make snide comments without defending your position. Finally, I think Tonganoxie is a beautiful city, with a lot to offer, and I'm just showing a little pride.

Have a nice day

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Talisman 3 years, 3 months ago

Really you don't understand what part of that was distasteful? Maybe the crack on Basehor??? Just a thought.....looks as if you needed one!

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dj8cd1 3 years, 3 months ago

Scripture says, "Do not love the world, neither the things that are in the world. Anyone who loves the world does not love the Father". The flashy sign is not going to "save" anyone, nor is the money spent on the sign going to show those within or outside the church that we, the church, ARE different than the world. Why is it churches feel the need to spend tons of money on a sign, and possibly litigation to have it approved, yet can't find the money to "feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the lonely, and evangelize the unbeliever. The sign's not a big deal, but the attitude behind erecting a sign when told not to bothers me a bit.

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Old_Vet 3 years, 3 months ago

Then perhaps your faith is not what it should be. Are you right with God and have you accepted Christ? When was the last time you followed the ordinances of the Holy Catholic Church? Have you confessed your sins? Have you attended mass?

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acc74 3 years, 3 months ago

Are you serious? You constantly come on here and belittle others and you're the one asking if anyone has accepted Christ and follows the ordinances? Where does dj8cd1 even state that he's Catholic and what right is it of yours to dictate or ask someone when they've last practice any faith? I truly believe that you are the one that needs to seek the guidance of our God. The person was simply stating that tithing could be used in much more useful ways to improve ones community, which he/she is 100% spot on. Would you rather see a sign on the highway or one less person traveling it with a backpack an no place to call home? Actually, I probably already know the answer to that.

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Old_Vet 3 years, 2 months ago

Your feigned hysteria is ridiculous. You have a problem of conscience, "the lady doth protest too much, methinks". I have every right to ask. In fact, I am commanded by our Creator to ask regarding your spiritual well being. Do you know Christ? Have you observed the ordinances? Do you follow the teachings of our Holy Catholic Church? If not then you are destined to torment and judgement. Repent, confess and return to the blessed Mother and her church. Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

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straightup 3 years, 3 months ago

dj8cd1 your are correct. I feel the church's here in town need to put their focus on helping people and spending thier money on the needy not a sign. But Tongie is FULL of Hypocrites.

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kansanjayhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

We are all sinners so don't be surprised by this. But we are to keep our eyes upon Jesus Christ our Savior!

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kansanjayhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

The attitude of the "government" telling this church what type of "religious speech" it can utter is what bothers me. The government does not have the right to interfere in the practice of our faith or the spreading of the gospel message. We are not showing a "bad attitude" if we like the apostle Paul assert our rights as citizens!

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dj8cd1 3 years, 2 months ago

Naive to say that the government doesn't have the "right" to interfere with the practice of our faith. The other businesses who were told this type of sign would not be allowed didn't (with a spirit of arrogance) erect their sign. The first step is get permission. The second step is to erect your sign. "Ass-erting our rights as citizens" does not include the right to break the law and then seek public support to justify our actions. Again, the other business owners didn't break the law. WHB was told NOT to erect the sign.

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