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USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

Dennis, There is no user kansasjayhawk that I can find. There is a kansanjayhawk who has multiple times denied being you, but folks claim that he is you still.

http://www.tonganoxiemirror.com/users...

June 25, 2012 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

Do we have brown recluses at the grade school?

June 25, 2012 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

The thing is tongieschool didn't say anything in support of a new school at all. He/she just listed problems with the current school, which I feel are exaggerated. I'll remind you that the school district is still planning on using the building - the way tongie school talks the thing should be bulldozed.

I have kids there the same as you, and am in the school as much as any other parent. I don't find it to have major shortcomings. Half the things mentioned are a result of high enrollment, which you and I and tongieschool all agree is a problem. Lowering the enrollment would fix those problems, but tongieschool makes it sound that the only way to do that is to build a new school. The other half of the things listed sounded silly to me. If the playground does flood it could probably be easily rectified with some dirt work. If there are spiers we should probably consult a pest service.

June 25, 2012 at 7:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

Exaggerating the conditions there won't help your case at all. The school is on the same power service as the houses by there - are they out of power all the time? How does the playground flood? It's pretty continously sloped to the west from the school. Classes in the hallway and lunch times are only caused by high enrollment in the school - leaving classes at the elementary would help keep this from happening at the new school.

Plumbing and HVAC problems "half" the time - I sincerely doubt it. All old buildings have quirks that need worked through and higher maintenance as a result.

June 23, 2012 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

Dan,

None of the plans you propose involve selling or destroying the elementary school. I agree with your assesment of the school and it's conditions, but if you aren't getting rid of the school you aren't getting rid of the maintenance costs. Right?

June 20, 2012 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

Dan,

In the second option it's mentioned that a new intermediate school could be added near the current middle school. If that route is taken, why do additions still need to be made at TES? It seems moving grades 3-5 would cut half the kids that are currently there from the building, giving a building with a capacity of 615 and students enrolled of about 375, right? The 7 million addition would not be required to TES, and the total project cost would be approximately 10 million.

This actually seems like a decent option, and one I floated above before the options were all listed.

June 19, 2012 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

"As I said in my post, it's the anti-progress/ anti-growth people that bug me."

"For anyone that claims to have understood the needs, and still voted "No" for whatever reason, I fear you are now part of the problem."

"I do not believe Dennis Bixby will ever work with ANYbody with an opposing view. Dennis Bixby represents what's wrong with this country."

You said all these things.

You probably classify me as Anti-progress and anti-growth. That's actually not the case at all. Where we disagree is that small towns are heavily taxed and very dependent on cheap gas (because we are a bedroom community), and all the things we enjoy about our little town can end quite badly with high vacancy and lowering home values. Look at McLouth - their growth got shut off in the 1990's and utilities went through the roof afterwards. Right now home values are terrible there and many of the houses are very run down.

In order for Tonganoxie to stay a vibrant community, it must remain an inexpensive town to live in, but still be a nice place to live. Where we disagree is about where that line is. I think nice schools are important, but I value a school by the quality of the kids it produces, not the buildings they are in.

The grade school has some pretty nice qualities to it, the older part of the school has some very nice windows that let a lot of light in to it, much more than the junior high and high school, and particularly the new middle school. It feels like a prison over there!

June 15, 2012 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

I've been reading your posts on the school additions - both a year ago and now. You come across that way - that you thing that people disagreeing with you have bad reasons.

I don't think it will double in cost in three years. I don' think we'll lose the state aid, and I don't think interest rates will go through the roof either. I also don't think we'll have the growth expected to help pay for the mill levy, so I don't think it will be just $15/month. The last project with state aid had paid for two years of help with additional staff, then dropped the aid for that staff, so the cost would have gone up two years after everything is approved. I can only assume that's the case this time. Lastly, I am quite sure that this will cost more than $15/month for me. Keep in mind that you are looking at average house value, and there are lots of people with acreage, businesses, rental property, etc that pay a much higher burden here.

June 15, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

USD 464 board looking at bond issue for $30 million elementary school

It makes more sense to me to move 4th grade out of the grade school and do a small addition at the current middle school. I think there's plenty of room over there and the cafeteria, etc are planty big.

June 15, 2012 at 12:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Police to remain downtown

Great decision!!

Maybe we can look at the old post office - it's plenty big for a police station!

June 15, 2012 at 10:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal )