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Supporters say growth necessitates bond issue

Democracy at its finest. You have every right to disagree. I do want you to know, this is not the only solution to the overcrowding. If the bond does not pass and the district grows, class sizes will increase. Another trailer will be put up, taking away playground areas or parking areas. Kids will continue to travel between buildings that are not safe or secure. More money will continue to be poured into old buildings. Quality teachers will not apply here. What professional would move to a district that cannot look forward? The district will more than likely become stagnant and quit growing anyway if this bond election does not pass. What person, moving into the area, in their right mind, would look at our schools with the trailers and quonset and say, "YES! Looks good for my family!"? If this bond election doesn't pass, our family will look for another place to live, a place that values education and kids more than the almighty dollar. Times are tight, yes, but I choose to place more value on my children than anything else. I see this as a real turning point in Tonganoxie's history.
Good luck to you, teatime. No growth. No new taxes. Looking out for number one. The way America should be.

March 1, 2011 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Supporters say growth necessitates bond issue

teatime--True, the family referenced by momtongie is spending their money. However, fortunately or unfortunately, public education is financed by the public. So are the roads we drive on, so is the military, so are several other entities in our daily lives. Like it or not, wrong or right, that is the way our society functions, taxes. If you only see this issue as one involving money, I feel that is a shame. This issue involves children. You also state you wonder if there are more cost effective ways of addressing the "issues". Have you been on the school's website? Did you attend the public forum on the bond election? They answered these questions completely. I would suggest you educate yourself on this issue by reading everything you can on the subject before assuming that the school administrators and board are not doing their job by recommending improvements to our schools.

March 1, 2011 at 1:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Supporters say growth necessitates bond issue

Just one correction--It wasn't mold in the walls, it was sewage, I believe.

February 24, 2011 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Supporters say growth necessitates bond issue

Things that are ridiculous to me--
1. Dennis Bixby is openly opposing the bond election. He is posting this on his facebook page and listing what the election will cost, WITH INTEREST. Gee, I hope he buys everything with cash, because if he adds up what his house/car/truck cost with interest, he will be appalled at that too.
2. People that say the downtown is dying, therefore, why support the school. Um, last time I checked, there was a new clothing store (HAve), a new coffee shop (The Coffee Depot), a new health store (Merge), a new baker and bistro (Elle's), a new pharmacy, and a new car wash being built. All within the past year. Not to mention the two bars, the other two restaurants, the gift shop, the banks, the pawn shop, the thrift stores, the doctor's offices....just to name a few. I guess the gun shop closed, so yes, apparantly downtown is dead.
3. The argument that the school needs to "tighten it's belt". The funds used to pay teachers, staff, buy classroom supplies, etc... are NOT the same money used to build schools. THERE IS NO ROOM.
4. Vote "no" if the following does not bother you----
KINDERGARTEN CLASSES HAVE PE IN A HALLWAY
KINDERGARTEN GOES TO LUNCH AT 10:45 BECAUSE SO MANY KIDS HAVE TO EAT.
SPECIAL EDUCATION KIDS ARE SERVED IN A ROOM BEHIND THE OLD STAGE.
CHILDREN IN WHEELCHAIRS HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND AROUND THE BUILDING TO GET TO THE NORTH GYM, BECAUSE THERE IS NO RAMP INSIDE AND NO ROOM TO BUILD ONE.
150 KIDS GO TO RECESS AT THE SAME TIME.
REMEDIATION TAKES PLACE ON THE FLOOR IN THE HALLWAYS.
CHILDREN IN THE QUONSET AND TRAILERS HAVE TO BE LOCKED IN DURING THE DAY TO BE SAFE.
THE HIGH SCHOOL HAS FIVE ENTRANCES THAT ARE NOT LOCKED DURING THE DAY.
HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WALK ACROSS A USED PARKING LOT.
THERE IS NO CHOIR ROOM IN THE HIGH SCHOOL. WE ARE A 4A HIGH SCHOOL!
FIFTH GRADE WILL BE IN A SCIENCE LAB NEXT YEAR.
5. I know times are tough, I understand that. I used to live in low income apartments, without cable, without internet, and rarely ate out. I bought my clothes at a discount store and shopped at Aldis. However, I still found a way to give money at church, volunteer, and support kids. I guess I need to assume that all of the people against this bond have made all of these cuts and more, and have nothing left to give. If so, I can understand their "no" vote.

February 23, 2011 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

School district can't build off-site streets, can be part of special assessment

To our self-proclaimed "informed resident" --
That may be one of the lamest excuses for not supporting something that I have ever heard. Just in case you didn't notice...every school in a 60 mile radius canceled school on Thursday. Snow removal was a minor issue in comparison to uncleared rural roads and the -15 degree air temperature at 7am.
Any percepted failures of the 2004 bond election have nothing to do with this election. Regardless of that plan or the current one, this community is going to be building schools every 7-10 years (or sooner) dependent upon the growth rate. You can see all of this on the "New Facilities Plan" on the USD 464 main web page www.tong464.org
An outside consultant with nothing to gain recommended this plan based upon real research and data.
Please do your homework next time before throwing out haphazard criticism that has no merit!

February 5, 2011 at 7:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

School district can't build off-site streets, can be part of special assessment

Tax rates, property value, cost of living, and wages are all relative to the time period in which we are living. I do wish life was more affordable for everyone these days.
I am afraid that given the location of this community, continued growth is inevitable. Over 5,000 new professional jobs will be in place at the Legends/KS Motor Speedway area by 2013 and those folks will be looking for homes. People are coming whether we like it or not and new schools will have to be built to house kids. .
I would venture to say that Basehor, Lansing, Piper, Bonner Springs, Eudora, Lawrence, and Baldwin City all have higher average house values than Tongie. Their USD mill levy is also an average of 8 mills higher than here.
Community dialogue on this is healthy. I just hope that the voters take the time to research this, get all of the facts, and participate in the democratic process. In the end the majority will determine the outcome. We will all live with the result.

February 2, 2011 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

School district can't build off-site streets, can be part of special assessment

Well, I guess it will end when people stop having those darn kids. And by the way, it is only 12 bucks if your house is around 150,000. If your house is less than that, you won't pay that much. I think you have chosen a fine place to live, because judging by the negative, uninformed opinions of many citizens, the bond issue won't pass anyway. So you will get just what you want. An old school with trailers, a shed with classrooms, unsafe drop-off and pick-up areas, special education classrooms on a stage, and kids having PE in the hallways. I'm sure Tonganoxie will attract wonderful teachers and quality families with these accomodations.
And, by the way, we are "doing so well", that we are able to frequent those fine establishments at least a few times a month. Gas station pizza rocks.

February 2, 2011 at 12:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Council defends discussions on possible street upgrades

12345 commented ...
I believe teachers make a difference, and I believe that courseware makes a difference. Notice in the last paper there was an article about spending cuts to the schools budget on the same page as this bond issue. So we are cutting necessary expenses to spend money on a new building. Now if we were having a bond issue to fund teachers salary or new books I would have a different opinion, but as it is it seems the school district can't find ways to spend money fast enough.

True ... the #1 difference in the education of a child is the teacher.
False ... the funding that is being cut to education is state general funding for classrooms and teachers. The district has absolutely no control over this. If you want someone to blame look at the conservative legislature. This district has cut over $1 million the last two years and will be cutting another 1/2 million if the governors proposal goes through.
Bond funds along with the capital outlay budget are strictly for building projects and equipment. Salaries and instructional supplies cannot be paid with this money.
Bottom line ... you can't use this argument!

February 2, 2011 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Council defends discussions on possible street upgrades

So much to say about the anti-tax statements but here are just a few comments.
Tonganoxie USD 464 hasby far the lowest tax rate in Leavenworth, Wyandotte, and Douglas. The bond issue will cost the average tax payer in this community $12/month. This is equivalent to a large pizza at Casey's and just a little more than two foot-long sandwiches at Subway. Right now, it is the cost of a 1/4 tank of gas for your car. Bottom-line ... it isn't much, especially when you consider what is for.
The school proposal has been put on the back burner for a year and a half despite the desperate needs of overcrowded schools where over 100 nine year olds attend class in mobile units and an old maintenance quansit hut. Let's face it, the time will never be right when we are talking about tax increases. This is about kids, not money. The plan addresses needs, not wants ... it is responsible and reasonable ... it will never be more affordable than it is right now. I'm sorry, but those who are against progress and quality should perhaps move to a community with no children and dirt roads.
The city has chosen to invest in other things over the last few years. Despite community growth, schools have obviously not been a priority. A little city leadership would be nice right now!

February 2, 2011 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Council defends discussions on possible street upgrades

"12345" ... there is ample research that informs us that the educational environment impacts learning. Space, natural daylight, air quality all make a difference in our physical and emotional health.
Trailers and quansit huts at TES and old remodeled churches at THS should not be just accepted by this community. I am looking forward to the response from those who don't support this bond election when we spend thousands of dollars on expanding our trailer park at TES. That will certainly be a bragging point for our stagnant community with low-performing schools and students who are unprepared for the 21st century world of work that exists outside of Tonganoxie, KS.

February 2, 2011 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

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